Comments on: The Devaluing of Women http://www.weekendkindness.net/2008/09/11/the-devaluing-of-women/ Reaching Others Through Kindness Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:48:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: MInTheGap http://www.weekendkindness.net/2008/09/11/the-devaluing-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-5643 MInTheGap Fri, 12 Sep 2008 20:58:05 +0000 http://www.weekendkindness.net/2008/09/11/the-devaluing-of-women/#comment-5643 @AG: I've always thought that the passage was saying that, because of sin, there would be change in the family structure where the husband would have to lead, and not just have a perfect relationship. That since now someone had to be the boss, the perfect partnership was no longer possible. @Rachel: I've been actually mulling through the whole "It is not good for man to be alone." I think there's a post coming (who knows what blog!) on that topic. Thanks for reminding me. @AG: I’ve always thought that the passage was saying that, because of sin, there would be change in the family structure where the husband would have to lead, and not just have a perfect relationship. That since now someone had to be the boss, the perfect partnership was no longer possible.

@Rachel: I’ve been actually mulling through the whole “It is not good for man to be alone.” I think there’s a post coming (who knows what blog!) on that topic. Thanks for reminding me.

]]> By: Rachel http://www.weekendkindness.net/2008/09/11/the-devaluing-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-5640 Rachel Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:48:51 +0000 http://www.weekendkindness.net/2008/09/11/the-devaluing-of-women/#comment-5640 I'm echoing what AG said - the verse she quoted was the situation post-Fall; the ideal marriage was pre-Fall in the Garden. I'm not downplaying submission AT ALL because I believe in submission and practice it as much as I possibly can (with God's help) in my own home. But the concept of submission wasn't brought about by that verse; it was brought about when God told Adam he needed a "helper." It was perfect submission: she yielded to him and he loved her above himself, exactly as Paul instructs us in Ephesians (I think it's in Ephesians, sorry if I'm wrong on that one). My husband recently did a debate for one of his classes on the role of women in ministry, and one of his points on this particular passage was that Adam was responsible for delivering the Word of God to Eve (we're not told in Scripture where God directly speaks to Eve). Also God gave the command about the tree before He created Eve. I'm getting off on a tangent; I could go all day on this passage. Anyway, I'm looking forward to these future posts and examining the other marriages. It should be fun! I’m echoing what AG said – the verse she quoted was the situation post-Fall; the ideal marriage was pre-Fall in the Garden. I’m not downplaying submission AT ALL because I believe in submission and practice it as much as I possibly can (with God’s help) in my own home. But the concept of submission wasn’t brought about by that verse; it was brought about when God told Adam he needed a “helper.” It was perfect submission: she yielded to him and he loved her above himself, exactly as Paul instructs us in Ephesians (I think it’s in Ephesians, sorry if I’m wrong on that one). My husband recently did a debate for one of his classes on the role of women in ministry, and one of his points on this particular passage was that Adam was responsible for delivering the Word of God to Eve (we’re not told in Scripture where God directly speaks to Eve). Also God gave the command about the tree before He created Eve. I’m getting off on a tangent; I could go all day on this passage. Anyway, I’m looking forward to these future posts and examining the other marriages. It should be fun!

]]> By: AG http://www.weekendkindness.net/2008/09/11/the-devaluing-of-women/comment-page-1/#comment-5632 AG Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:57:37 +0000 http://www.weekendkindness.net/2008/09/11/the-devaluing-of-women/#comment-5632 Hubs and I got a great word of advice from a counselor last week. She mentioned that a lot of people use the verse in Genesis where God said "Your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you" to say, "See here, God commanded men to rule over women." In her opinion, the perfect union that happened before the fall was of a perfect partnership. There was a deep intimacy and so there was no need for one partner to rule over the other. When the fall happened, there became a division between the husband and wife. The result was that she desired him - desired that emotional intimacy she'd lost. And he ruled over her - she no longer was able to meet his needs like she had and so he turned to dominating her to try to fix the problem. Hubs and I got a great word of advice from a counselor last week. She mentioned that a lot of people use the verse in Genesis where God said “Your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you” to say, “See here, God commanded men to rule over women.” In her opinion, the perfect union that happened before the fall was of a perfect partnership. There was a deep intimacy and so there was no need for one partner to rule over the other. When the fall happened, there became a division between the husband and wife. The result was that she desired him – desired that emotional intimacy she’d lost. And he ruled over her – she no longer was able to meet his needs like she had and so he turned to dominating her to try to fix the problem.

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